thanks peter , you have a valid point , bj headphones now are improved , and do make lighter models , for my type of detecting , and for my hearing , they work just fine , well made , and built , not for everybodies taste i know . iam pleased with what i have and use , and for the money , i feel , well worth their cost .. i have used all other makes in the past , always had problems with build and long term performance ... we all have a preference ,, thanks for your honest opinion peter ... thanks , vinny