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Gary's Detecting forum => General detecting talk => Topic started by: jackel on June 02, 2017, 06:01 pm
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Just wondered if anybody had heard on the grapevine whether the new Teknetics Patriot 13khz is any good?
Most of the information seems to be American not really that much in the way of a UK field test etc. Or does anybody have one of these new machine, If so what are your thoughts on the machine. Considering either one of these or the X Terra 705 again or even maybe the F75 again. Thanks for any information.
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Check out Unearthed UK YouTube vids, he seems to like it, then again he would being UK importer.
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Looks like its Technetics answer to the Fisher F70.
Still not as powerful as the F75 though ,but probably a very capable detector for the price....
Heres a chapter from the Technetics review on it.
Those familiar with the Fisher F70 will see the similarities right away. It has the same easy to read LCD and button layout, and is based off of the same tried and proven 13khz platform as it’s older brother/sister F75 and T2. The 4X AA batteries placed directly under the arm cuff will give you roughly 40 hours of run time and provide an excellent counter-balance to the already lightweight 11 inch Bi-Axial (DD) search coil at the front. With balance like that - and then only weighing in at 2.9lbs - swinging this Patriot all day is about as enjoyable as it gets in this hobby. No silly harness needed here like some other heavy professional grade detectors - and let us be clear - this is one serious detector.
This Patriot I tested had no problems air testing a US silver quarter at 14 inches in the Auto-Tune (all-metal) mode with sensitivity at 90 (adjustable from 1-99)...and threshold at +1 (adjustable from -9 to +9). I felt that was the “sweet” spot with this Patriot with a nice audible hum.
Setting the discrimination at 15 which is the end of the iron range and where many would hunt in real world situations - it hit the silver quarter repeatedly at 12 inches. That is again with sensitivity at 90 (adjustable from 1-99)...and threshold at +1 (adjustable from -9 to +9). But it did not stop there…
The “threshold” setting in disc mode does NOT produce an audible hum like in the all-metal (AT) mode. It is used as target size filter of sorts. So I could actually raise it further and use it to boost the sensitivity of the machine to deeper and smaller objects. Pushing the threshold higher to +4 started to produce a bit of chatter but pushed the dime to 13 inches. Nearly as far as the all-metal (AT) tests.
Air-testing is obviously not for everybody. How about a 1936 Wheat Penny at 8 inches in a VERY mineralized Colorado soil? The Pin Point push button feature showed 8 inches on the LCD display and it was true to it’s word. I actually had to sit back and give a laugh at some of the deep 8-9-10 inch coins it was producing in some very bad soil. The same nasty Colorado soil that sent other detectors into fits and limited their depth to the 4-5 inch range. The Patriot sliced through this soil like butter. The depth indicator bars and Pin Point button information being spot on each time for coin sized targets which they are calibrated for.
That was in the “dE” speed setting...which stands for default. It is the normal and quite fast “speed” setting for both (AT) and discrimination settings. It is what you will want to use 90% of the time. There is also the “SL” or “slow” speed setting that will give an extra bit of depth. The trade off being stability to EMI and bad soil. I found it to be quite deep and providing a superior ID on deeper targets as long as the swing speed was kept “slow” as the name implies.
Speaking of ground balancing, it has a button called (GG) which stands for “Ground Grab”. It allows a quick ground phase adjustment to your soil by pressing the button and pumping the coil from 1-6 inches off the ground. It is fast, extremely accurate, and can quick grab to salt for you beach hunters out there.
For coin hunters out there it has an easy to read LCD display showing a 1-99 target ID and 8 target categories (Iron, Foil,5c,Tab,,Zinc,Dime,25c,50c). A variety of tones from 1 to 4 with an “H” setting for each that will provide high tone breaks points. A “DP” setting which stands for “Delta Pitch” will provide 99 different tones according to each ID. Many veterans swear by it. A confidence meter will provide 4 bars of well…”confidence”...according to how well the machine thinks it matches the ID.
For the relic hunter in all of us, there is a “Dirt” meter than will provide 4 bars showing mineralization in your current soil. A very handy feature.
Sticking to the relic topic - I decided to place 3 nails in a triangular pattern about 4 inches from each other. Setting the disc at 15 eliminated their presence completely. I placed a 1950 wheat penny directly in the middle of the nails and it immediately high toned in the Tone 3 setting from every angle. Then placing a nail directly on top of the penny again produced a clear high tone. How this Patriot gets this 11DD to separate and unmask so well is a mystery. With the optional 5in DD sniper coil there is nothing it won’t be able to handle. Even gold prospecting, as it will sound off at 2-3 inches on a sub gram picker. Larger nuggets will sing like a bird.
For the city hunters who need to deal with EMI is has the option to shift through 7 side frequencies in the 13khz range. F1-F7. A great feature that can really save the day where WIFI and cellular signals are prevalent. I did not have any issues with EMI from any of the 7 settings. Often being able to max out at 99 sens and +1 threshold with no chatter.
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Thanks guys I have read that also comments do seem to think that it is a re-vamped F70 but suppose that can't be a bad thing.
Reminds me of a F75 too be honest both have the same frequency, at one point I was set on the 705 now i am torn again between the Patriot or go the extra for the F75 again... :-\
Cheers Pete, Hope you holiday went well :)
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The Patriot and the F70 are exactly the same detector. Only difference is the re-branding which give the Patriot a different color scheme and control screen theme. No changes whatsoever except for that - and, of course, the huge price drop.
You can now get it on Amazon, USA as well as direct from Teknetics (Teknetics will not ship outside the US).
The Patriot as well as the Liberator and Minuteman are the re-branded machines which make up the new Ameritek sub-brand at Teknetics. This is a new factory-direct selling approach, amd is based on the realities of the US detector market.
Fisher, Teknetics and Bounty Hunter are all part of First Texas Holdings. All their products are designed by the same engineering group in their El Paso Texas facility. All the detectors of all three brands are likewise manufactured in the El Paso facility (with the sole exception of part of the Bounty Hunter Jr. (BHJR) - production - part of the volume of this one model are built in China - the box of each BHJR detector is marked with the correct country of manufacture.
The Patriot at $399 is a stunning value. Google "REVIER" or "digger27" and "F70 detector" and you will find masses of good info on this unit.
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Thanks for the info i all take a look at that. ;)
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£500 over here, about $640.
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I just noticed that also Joan Allen have two prices sale price £469 or £499.
Unearthed have it at £479 and £499 cheaper in the States of course ! Done some research and still torn between three machines the Minelab X Terra 705 the Teknetics Patriot or the Fisher F75. You can buy the F75 dst for £595 for only a hundred odd more.
Think i will hang back a little on the Patriot see what the reviews are over a the next few weeks or so.
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If I was you I would save up and go for the F75 with DST. If the Patriot is indeed an F70 then it amounts to the same thing that Peter commented on regards the Garrett AT Max, just another detector that offers nothing new at all?
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I use the Fisher F75 with DST and I have the DST switched off "most" of the time.
The reason being ,you do lose depth when the DST function is switched on. Its a bit of a trade off to be able to use the Detector underneath or around High capacity Electricity Pylons, or even just the small telegraph pole type Electricity power lines you see in country lanes carrying electricity to remote houses or farms, but lets face it, a bit of depth loss is better than not being able to work around pylons in a field at all so the trade off is worth it..
The DST does indeed work as it should ,in eradicating interference while detecting near Electricity carrying structures (Pylons), but like I said, the trade off is a reduction by a small amount in depth. So I only have the DST function switched on ,as and when I "need" to.
I find lots of people don`t even know that it can be turned off or simply just don`t bother to turn it off, but It does indeed make a difference on and off.
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Think i'm set now on the F75 makes more sense really cheers..
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If you are open to trying a non Amercan
Detector .May i sugest the Altera 71 ?
It gives the user FAR more options as regards
Freq .
Excelent value for money .
That is the main thing .
VALUE FOR MONEY 😋
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I don't fancy that one you mentioned needlegun not knocking the machine but just want one that i am familiar with.
Just another thought the T2 classic has been introduced again and with this being very much like the F75 i am wondering if this machine is worth a thought also. Only on the basis that they have addressed the build issues from when the T2 first come out of course. Wonder if there is a way of finding out if they have addresses these issues. If so this could be a contender because they are cheaper that the new Patriot and the F75.
Any thoughts ?
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I don't fancy that one you mentioned needlegun not knocking the machine but just want one that i am familiar with.
Just another thought the T2 classic has been introduced again and with this being very much like the F75 i am wondering if this machine is worth a thought also. Only on the basis that they have addressed the build issues from when the T2 first come out of course. Wonder if there is a way of finding out if they have addresses these issues. If so this could be a contender because they are cheaper that the new Patriot and the F75.
Any thoughts ?
I'm pretty sure the T2 classic won't have the DST technology, something you would need to check.
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Yes there is a Teknetics T2 that does indeed have the DST on board .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRURyti3Sko
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I think i could live without the DST to be honest the classic T2 could be upgraded to DST.
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Yes there is a Teknetics T2 that does indeed have the DST on board .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRURyti3Sko
Special edition, with DST. The Tecknetics equivalent of the F75 full, Peter what are your thoughts on the classic and going for the cheaper option with no DST as Jackel is suggesting he may do.
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I`m not 100% sure on the T2 SE DST `s inclusive menu of settings and such ,because I`ve never owned one ,but it will have to go a long way to be on a par with the F75 DST`s on board offerings of available modes and settings .
The T2 was ,and still is a very good detector ,the boost process on the edition "with boost" really enhanced it too.
Sadly like all other detectors do eventually , it has succumbed to its nemesis of advanced technology now found in other detectors ,which they too eventually will themselves fall to in the future , its probably had its day as a top detector but needless to say its still a very able and worth while detector to own,and obviously if its the DST model thats an even better bet than the bog standard model.
I think as I pointed out that the std T2 just doesn`t have the DST added on it ,as also has the "boost mode" ,and maybe one or two additional additives the Std T2 hasn`t got, so, there could be a big difference between the std T2 and the SE with DST so its would make better sense to buy the SE with DST model in my view.
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I`m not 100% sure on the T2 SE DST `s inclusive menu of settings and such ,because I`ve never owned one ,but it will have to go a long way to be on a par with the F75 DST`s on board offerings of available modes and settings .
The T2 was ,and still is a very good detector ,the boost process on the edition "with boost" really enhanced it too.
Sadly like all other detectors do eventually , it has succumbed to its nemesis of advanced technology now found in other detectors ,which they too eventually will themselves fall to in the future , its probably had its day as a top detector but needless to say its still a very able and worth while detector to own,and obviously if its the DST model thats an even better bet than the bog standard model.
I think as I pointed out that the std T2 just doesn`t have the DST added on it ,as also has the "boost mode" ,and maybe one or two additional additives the Std T2 hasn`t got, so, there could be a big difference between the std T2 and the SE with DST so its would make better sense to buy the SE with DST model in my view.
Peter, thank you for responding. It's kind of what I thought you mind advise. As I see it, don't skimp if you want performance, get the DSE. And if First Texas is what you want, save up the pennies and get the top line F75, not to say the others can't perform, but if you want the best performance.................and DSE is important for these machines?
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I think you both have valid points 'but' how often would you in all honesty use the boost mode or cache mode even online research claims that with the DST activated there is a loss in depth ! I know depth is cancelled out when your amongst the nails so there is always a gain on one thing and a loss on the other.
The F75 and the T2 are both capable machines and can achieve depths of over 10 inches which is very impressive to be fair, If you actually think about it probably the most advanced machine on the market is the XP Deus because there are always updates etc for the machine. I have no interest in the Deus though I think XP have become to fiddly and seems to be one of those machines that you spend more time messing with controls and settings. I have actually seen people doing this in the field where there is less time detecting and more time messing around.
The point i am making is apart from a couple of options which I think have been out a couple of years now maybe more such as the DST and FA the F75 has not really moved on that much since then. The F75 could well be a better machine than the T2 but in all honesty I think they are close performance wise, whether that be the classic T2 or the SE versions on both the F75 and the T2.
It is a minefield to be fair you can search the internet and people will be torn between the two both machines have a fantastic pedigree within the detecting world. I am still undecided to be fair and will ponder some more :-\ .. Good posts from all though have enjoyed this thread good advice from people who are in the know.
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Well the criteria on both detectors is readily available for reading up on. Its a Personal decision on whether anyone wants this or that on their detector and its a choice there to be made. Whether anyone feels the boost is "needed "or not obviously depends on the user at the time of using rather than speculating would it ever be needed. Surely its best as an option to have it on board to use it rather than not having it at all.
Its a bit akin to being given the choice would you rather have a Car with 4 gears ,or if the choice was available to have it with 6 gears would you choose not to get the version with the extra two gears if available ,to enable you get better fuel consumption and go that bit faster ? I think the answers obvious. So its the same with the choice here. Do you go for the std edition, or do you go for the version with DST and boost ,plus extra search modes ?
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Your probably right Pete it would probably be a better option to have modes on their that the dst and se models have but i had to work to a budget the top end F75 se is like £779 to buy or there about the T2 is only like £449 which is a good price for what it offers. Like i say i may just hold on for the Gold F75 which is £595..
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I think you both have valid points 'but' how often would you in all honesty use the boost mode or cache mode even online research claims that with the DST activated there is a loss in depth ! I know depth is cancelled out when your amongst the nails so there is always a gain on one thing and a loss on the other.
The F75 and the T2 are both capable machines and can achieve depths of over 10 inches which is very impressive to be fair, If you actually think about it probably the most advanced machine on the market is the XP Deus because there are always updates etc for the machine. I have no interest in the Deus though I think XP have become to fiddly and seems to be one of those machines that you spend more time messing with controls and settings. I have actually seen people doing this in the field where there is less time detecting and more time messing around.
The point i am making is apart from a couple of options which I think have been out a couple of years now maybe more such as the DST and FA the F75 has not really moved on that much since then. The F75 could well be a better machine than the T2 but in all honesty I think they are close performance wise, whether that be the classic T2 or the SE versions on both the F75 and the T2.
It is a minefield to be fair you can search the internet and people will be torn between the two both machines have a fantastic pedigree within the detecting world. I am still undecided to be fair and will ponder some more :-\ .. Good posts from all though have enjoyed this thread good advice from people who are in the know.
Well when it comes to the First Texas products, it's Peter that's in the know, merely food for thought on my part and a chance to learn along the way. I was speaking to a distributer a while back. There is a F75 special edition out there which retailed for about 600 quid and it had the DST. I don't know if they are still available but the guy said he could not believe Fisher had put so much in the edition machine for that price.
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The golden anniversary edition has the FA and DST mode the LTD has the boost mode and cache mode i don't really see the cache mode being used all that much. The anniversary F75 dst seems a good price for £595.
Still undecided at the moment but leaning more towards the F75..
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The golden anniversary edition has the FA and DST mode the LTD has the boost mode and cache mode i don't really see the cache mode being used all that much. The anniversary F75 dst seems a good price for £595.
Still undecided at the moment but leaning more towards the F75..
Could be the anniversary edition that I meant Jackal. DST for those areas around pylons at that price, a Fisher winner?
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Yeh dst for £595 not a bad price only bits you do not get are the cache and boost...
After some reading of many posts on the web people seem to use the JE mode mostly and the de mode I suppose it comes down to personal preferenece what you opt to use we all find our little way and settings we are comfortable with. :)
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Sooooo many choices ;D
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Tell me about it i have struck the T2 off my list now and even contemplated the X Terra 705 again the only issue I have with the F75 is the fact that you have to visually check every target when you are using the all metal mode. I like searching in the all metal mode to be honest with the 705 in addition to giving you a audio iron signal it also gives you a digital - numeric number as an additional check.
I know the F75 may be a better machine than the 705 but i think the 705 with an after coil on such as the Nel or the Mars coils improve on depth and sensitivity and also in addition you can select different frequencies. So as you can see I have not got a Scooby of which one to opt for. Also power lines are not an issue with a Minelab and if the F75 looses depth with DST activated how much depth is lost could make a difference.. My head is :-\ :-\ :)
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Tell me about it i have struck the T2 off my list now and even contemplated the X Terra 705 again the only issue I have with the F75 is the fact that you have to visually check every target when you are using the all metal mode. I like searching in the all metal mode to be honest with the 705 in addition to giving you a audio iron signal it also gives you a digital - numeric number as an additional check.
I know the F75 may be a better machine than the 705 but i think the 705 with an after coil on such as the Nel or the Mars coils improve on depth and sensitivity and also in addition you can select different frequencies. So as you can see I have not got a Scooby of which one to opt for. Also power lines are not an issue with a Minelab and if the F75 looses depth with DST activated how much depth is lost could make a difference.. My head is :-\ :-\ :)
Ha ha, what a nice problem you have. I have heard very mixed reports on the X-Terra range but clearly you have had some good experience with the 705, I guess we all have fond memories of past machines. I had a Sorex Pro and sold it on because I could never settle with it, but weirdly part of me still wishes I had it sometimes, strange isn't it. Maybe it's because I had my first hammy with it.
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I remember the old Minelab Sov XS 2 A Pro I actually bought that off Pete many years ago it was my first proper machine found my only ever gold coin with it and some lovely bits over the years. But then come to learn that it was not the best for recovery due to nulling over iron etc. Still have a soft spot for that machine the tones on the Sov were brilliant, but technology moves on i guess.
I did like the 705 to be fair was easy to use and the information was good especially in all metal mode like i have said before I had the Mars tiger coil for the last one i had and to be fair achieved some respectable depth on pasture. On plough the majority of hammered coins are only ever a few inches anyway.Build quality is good on the Minelabs also.
Budget wise i could buy the 705 and have change for some killer B headphones and a pinpointed probe. Still pondering though ;D
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Hmmmmm the 705 !
To me Its a bit of a middle of the road machine.Can`t say I loved it,but at the same time ,can`t say I didn`t like it.
I found it was one of those detectors that preferred wet to moist soil and if it didn`t get it,it was a wash out.
I used to have one while using the Deus as well.
One day I took the 705 to two fields that had just a few days earlier been ploughed and rolled. I paced up n down for hours finding next to nothing.
The next day I decided to change detectors and brought the Deus out to play instead.Same soil ,same dry weather conditions , same search methods.
It was like a Magic wand had been produced on to those same two fields. I was finding stuff left right and centre . The Deus kicked the 705`s ass big time.
I think I E bay`d the 705 soon after and I don`t think I`ll ever want another one .
But ! thats just my personal opinion of the 705 . Others could probably tell a different story.. This is just mine .
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>:( I have no doubt that may be true was it switched on Pete ?
Your not helping my cause :'( Funny you should mention that I done some more reading the last night online regarding the T2 and the F75 and there was quite a few references to them both struggling to ground balance within wet soil conditions especially the T2 this was over come by manually ground balancing according to the discussions. The machines seemed to give an overload message whilst trying to ground balance.
Not sure how true this is but there was various discussions regarding this problem. I have used the 705 in dry conditions with ok results but maybe the deus was on another frequency and that made a difference this could be combatted on the 705 with another frequency coil also. Just a thought mind but it's a nice option to have either the 7.5 kHz 3.khz or the 18.75 kHz it's a nice option to have especially in dry conditions i would probably use the 18.75 kHz virtually the same as the xp deus 18.00 kHz i suppose.
Sat here scratching my head at the moment no wonder i am bald ;D
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>:( I have no doubt that may be true was it switched on Pete ?
Your not helping my cause :'( Funny you should mention that I done some more reading the last night online regarding the T2 and the F75 and there was quite a few references to them both struggling to ground balance within wet soil conditions especially the T2 this was over come by manually ground balancing according to the discussions. The machines seemed to give an overload message whilst trying to ground balance.
Not sure how true this is but there was various discussions regarding this problem. I have used the 705 in dry conditions with ok results but maybe the deus was on another frequency and that made a difference this could be combatted on the 705 with another frequency coil also. Just a thought mind but it's a nice option to have either the 7.5 kHz 3.khz or the 18.75 kHz it's a nice option to have especially in dry conditions i would probably use the 18.75 kHz virtually the same as the xp deus 18.00 kHz i suppose.
Sat here scratching my head at the moment no wonder i am bald ;D
Yeah I get the picture ;D
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Hi Jackal, have you read Gary's reviews on the T2 and F75.
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Quote Tom,...." maybe the deus was on another frequency and that made a difference".
No, both detectors were being used in 18kHz .
I think sometimes you can only find this type of info IF ,you have two detectors to compare against each other. If there`s no noticeable difference then thats fair enough, but when you get the results I got, that really brings it on home the difference in the two machines . Why ? because You just assessed them in the same conditions against each other and the results spoke for themselves.
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Hi Jackal, have you read Gary's reviews on the T2 and F75.
I will take a look at Gary's review i must of come across it though somewhere but will have another look. ;)
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Quote Tom,...." maybe the deus was on another frequency and that made a difference".
No, both detectors were being used in 18kHz .
I think sometimes you can only find this type of info IF ,you have two detectors to compare against each other. If there`s no noticeable difference then thats fair enough, but when you get the results I got, that really brings it on home the difference in the two machines . Why ? because You just assessed them in the same conditions against each other and the results spoke for themselves.
If the results are that strikingly different then there has to be something in it.
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Quote Tom,...." maybe the deus was on another frequency and that made a difference".
No, both detectors were being used in 18kHz .
I think sometimes you can only find this type of info IF ,you have two detectors to compare against each other. If there`s no noticeable difference then thats fair enough, but when you get the results I got, that really brings it on home the difference in the two machines . Why ? because You just assessed them in the same conditions against each other and the results spoke for themselves.
There could be various reasons Keith, for example, just never walked over the finds on the day, a bad day, or the Deus is a better machine who knows it's an enigma. I don't have Deus money too be honest and have had some good results with a 705 in the past what i don't like is a machine that is erratic around power lines etc that annoys me when searching.
The Fishers and the Teknetics all seem to suffer with EMF interference and granted it may not be on every field but it's sods law you will find a good bit of land and they will have power lines on :-\ ...
I think budget wise I am tempted to buy a 705 again they are quite reasonable new and better second hand..
Failing that I don't have a scooby of what to buy..
If the results are that strikingly different then there has to be something in it.
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Quote Tom,...." maybe the deus was on another frequency and that made a difference".
No, both detectors were being used in 18kHz .
I think sometimes you can only find this type of info IF ,you have two detectors to compare against each other. If there`s no noticeable difference then thats fair enough, but when you get the results I got, that really brings it on home the difference in the two machines . Why ? because You just assessed them in the same conditions against each other and the results spoke for themselves.
There could be various reasons Keith, for example, just never walked over the finds on the day, a bad day, or the Deus is a better machine who knows it's an enigma. I don't have Deus money too be honest and have had some good results with a 705 in the past what i don't like is a machine that is erratic around power lines etc that annoys me when searching.
The Fishers and the Teknetics all seem to suffer with EMF interference and granted it may not be on every field but it's sods law you will find a good bit of land and they will have power lines on :-\ ...
I think budget wise I am tempted to buy a 705 again they are quite reasonable new and better second hand..
Failing that I don't have a scooby of what to buy..
If the results are that strikingly different then there has to be something in it.
Your right Jackal, it could just have been the walk on the day, but it sounds as if the field was more active with the Deus. All machines have their strengths and weaknesses and Peter knows a thing or two. One thing that I have heard repeatedly is that using a machine you are comfortable with and that you know, can be one of the most important things, so maybe the 705 is right for you if it makes you happy. One other thing that may interest you, I started with the Deus WS4, and no remote, costing £550.00 for a machine one year old with 4 years warranty left. Brilliant option. Even without a remote the performance is excellent. I have had an AKA Sorex Pro and a Garrett 400i as well. I would choose the Deus WS4 with no remote over both because the performance and ease of use is fantastic. You still have 4 frequencies, great platforms and some changes you can make using the headset controls. Well worth considering IMHO if a screen is not important to you.
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Quote Tom,...." maybe the deus was on another frequency and that made a difference".
No, both detectors were being used in 18kHz .
I think sometimes you can only find this type of info IF ,you have two detectors to compare against each other. If there`s no noticeable difference then thats fair enough, but when you get the results I got, that really brings it on home the difference in the two machines . Why ? because You just assessed them in the same conditions against each other and the results spoke for themselves.
Good post Keith and your right the Deus light is another good option three machines in one sounds a good thing, I have had the power and the ADX 250 both were good machines. I spoke to Pete earlier and had a bit of a laugh about how difficult it is to choose a machine today.
I don't mind just going by the tones too be honest saves a distraction anyway, See you have complicated matters worse now bringing the Deus Lite into play :D ;D... Might do some looking around see what they are selling for new and used..
There could be various reasons Keith, for example, just never walked over the finds on the day, a bad day, or the Deus is a better machine who knows it's an enigma. I don't have Deus money too be honest and have had some good results with a 705 in the past what i don't like is a machine that is erratic around power lines etc that annoys me when searching.
The Fishers and the Teknetics all seem to suffer with EMF interference and granted it may not be on every field but it's sods law you will find a good bit of land and they will have power lines on :-\ ...
I think budget wise I am tempted to buy a 705 again they are quite reasonable new and better second hand..
Failing that I don't have a scooby of what to buy..
If the results are that strikingly different then there has to be something in it.
Your right Jackal, it could just have been the walk on the day, but it sounds as if the field was more active with the Deus. All machines have their strengths and weaknesses and Peter knows a thing or two. One thing that I have heard repeatedly is that using a machine you are comfortable with and that you know, can be one of the most important things, so maybe the 705 is right for you if it makes you happy. One other thing that may interest you, I started with the Deus WS4, and no remote, costing £550.00 for a machine one year old with 4 years warranty left. Brilliant option. Even without a remote the performance is excellent. I have had an AKA Sorex Pro and a Garrett 400i as well. I would choose the Deus WS4 with no remote over both because the performance and ease of use is fantastic. You still have 4 frequencies, great platforms and some changes you can make using the headset controls. Well worth considering IMHO if a screen is not important to you.
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Deus WS4 is a great performer. There is a big argument for simple tones detecting. After all, most say tones are king. I am one of those who has fiddled with settings in the field, you simply don't do that with the Lite/WS4. I tend to set the machine up and put the remote in my pocket a lot these days, simplifying my detecting is making it more enjoyable, and the Deus Lite/WS4 performs !!
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Deus WS4 is a great performer. There is a big argument for simple tones detecting. After all, most say tones are king. I am one of those who has fiddled with settings in the field, you simply don't do that with the Lite/WS4. I tend to set the machine up and put the remote in my pocket a lot these days, simplifying my detecting is making it more enjoyable, and the Deus Lite/WS4 performs !!
I do that only when it rains, but without the XY screen I feel a bit lost. I certainly dig a lot less rubbish than I did with the horseshoe graphic, and with no numerical guide either I reckon I'd be knackered after a couple of hours!
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Deus WS4 is a great performer. There is a big argument for simple tones detecting. After all, most say tones are king. I am one of those who has fiddled with settings in the field, you simply don't do that with the Lite/WS4. I tend to set the machine up and put the remote in my pocket a lot these days, simplifying my detecting is making it more enjoyable, and the Deus Lite/WS4 performs !!
I do that only when it rains, but without the XY screen I feel a bit lost. I certainly dig a lot less rubbish than I did with the horseshoe graphic, and with no numerical guide either I reckon I'd be knackered after a couple of hours!
Fair point, digging every single iffy one does require a certain level of fitness ;D
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How did we ever cope without vdi numbers ;) I must admit though i like the VDI numbers on a machine.
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How did we ever cope without vdi numbers ;) I must admit though i like the VDI numbers on a machine.
I must admit I often wonder whether VDI can be a poison chalice, as it does tend to slow me down sometimes when I spend ages staring at shapes and numbers and a spadefull out would be quicker. I recall a strong tone on my Sorex Pro but the hodograph shapes convinced me it was big iron all day long. There was just something about the tone though that was clean and sharp even if it was too strong. So I ignored the screen and dug to find my second complete crotal bell.
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I know what you mean I have decided on a machine now fed up of contemplating so decided to opt for the rebadged F70 in the form of the Teknetics Patriot.. The F70 has a brilliant reputation and by all accounts is a reputable good performing detector..
Price wise it's a good deal to be fair so just have to decide either between Joanallen or Unearthed at Joanallen they offer a Pro Hunter headphones with the Patriot so that might just be the winner ..
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I know what you mean I have decided on a machine now fed up of contemplating so decided to opt for the rebadged F70 in the form of the Teknetics Patriot.. The F70 has a brilliant reputation and by all accounts is a reputable good performing detector..
Price wise it's a good deal to be fair so just have to decide either between Joanallen or Unearthed at Joanallen they offer a Pro Hunter headphones with the Patriot so that might just be the winner ..
He's going for it !! ;D I hope you enjoy it, and please give us all your thoughts when you have had a few run outs.
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Will try and do some good outings when i get the machine let you know how it performs. ;)