Gary's Metal Detecting Forum
Gary's Detecting forum => General detecting talk => Topic started by: kevsat on June 06, 2022, 09:16 pm
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been reading a lot off negative posts about the Deus 2 updates and also the Legend ...glad i didnt jump on the bandwagon and crash money out on either ,,,feel sorry for the guys who thought major gains would be made with multi freq over other mchns,,,doesnt seem to have worked
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Interesting observation. Overall I am pleased with the D2's performance. It's definitely got some kinks to work out but it's still a superior machine. The multifrequency has definitely brought some life to my very worn out sites. Granted there aren't gold coins jumping out of the ground into my finds pouch but it is finding good targets that my D1 and my buddies Nox just couldn't see. I haven't used it on a beach yet but from all accounts it is killer in the wet salt sand. It's got some quirks that I find annoying but I expect they will be fixed with software updates.
Is it a huge improvement over the D1? I would not go that far but if you are a beach hunter, you might say that. It goes deeper than the D1 did on my sites for sure, and it is much more versatile. You are not going to get an extra foot of depth and you still have to put your coil over a good target to find it, but I don't think there is a better all-round detector on the market at the moment.
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Totally agree with LS’s comments another bonus for the D2 is that the audio can be adapted to suit your hearing,better than either of the other machines mentioned.
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agreed .pre owned are making low prices on ebay as buyers wont bid higher .first adopters stand to make losses if they want to sell em..marginal improvments is what i see from comments
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yeah agree on the d2 on the beach its very impressive ...but in the general settings for inland is it that much better than the d1 to warrant changing ,,,my x35 is well deep so ill be sticking with her....as for the legend its a no from me ...ill keep me 600 nox
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maybe square pitch can be useful .we need a reason to upgrade
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In fairness to the D2,I regard it as work in progress,it’s still has improvements to be made but nevertheless a bloody good machine and perhaps it’s worth trying before criticising?
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I shall be upgrading when the time is right as l suspect many others will but right now lm sticking to Deus 1 still great machine.
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the list of complaints is now impacting prices for second hand on ebay ,not seLling AT 1200 ISH ,1300 no chance
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Didn't know things that bad probably no waiting list or pre order now,lets hope xp sorts out the issues and we can rejoice again
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Didn't know things that bad probably no waiting list or pre order now,lets hope xp sorts out the issues and we can rejoice again
Still about 8 week before I'll have any fields to go at anyway. I'll decide then whether to stick with what I've got or pull the trigger on a D2.
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There’s a few very loud voices on Facebook who like to moan and complain about everything. I noticed one guy has been going from one complaint to another from day 1. I thought he’d got rid of his D2 a few months ago as he said he had but still he is complaining. Fishy!
The D2 is good. It needs quite a bit of time to learn as it has some unique quirks. Further improvements are still needed but it is already a very good machine and a lot of us are getting on well with it. There are a lot of positive posts coming through again now from the normally quieter users who have just put detecting hours with it under their belt and are loving it.
On the legend, I don’t have one but I was speaking to a very well respected machine tester yesterday and he was telling me the legend is actually a very, very good machine. He was really impressed with it. We were discussing plants on FB, put in the undermine machine’s reputations. We all know it goes on. Be interesting to see if the real users get their voices heard in the next few months, or if the machine launch fails because of more underhand tactics.
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a mate in lincoln says on club digs and rallies its nothing special its hasnt found more than any other machines consistantly
so we wait for proof of its special abilities
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post from fb
Cameron Wright
Hi All,
I’ve buried a Richard 1st Silver Hammered Penny in my garden at 9inches. I’ve tried every program and altered them with settings I can barely get it with anything. Really disappointing considering the cost of the machine. Seems you all have similar experiences.
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post from fb
Cameron Wright
Hi All,
I’ve buried a Richard 1st Silver Hammered Penny in my garden at 9inches. I’ve tried every program and altered them with settings I can barely get it with anything. Really disappointing considering the cost of the machine. Seems you all have similar experiences.
A hammered penny at 9", with the usual iron contamination level of the average garden is a tad optimistic, to say the least! I wonder if he tried any other machines on this target?
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post from fb
Cameron Wright
Hi All,
I’ve buried a Richard 1st Silver Hammered Penny in my garden at 9inches. I’ve tried every program and altered them with settings I can barely get it with anything. Really disappointing considering the cost of the machine. Seems you all have similar experiences.
A hammered penny at 9", with the usual iron contamination level of the average garden is a tad optimistic, to say the least! I wonder if he tried any other machines on this target?
My thoughts too!
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more on fb
Colin Smale
I sold my Deus 2 and re-purchased a deus 1 again. IMHO it is the emperor's new clothes story! I have 40+ years detecting experience. The D2 is not quite right yet, maybe it will be better than the D1 eventually but not as it is at the moment.
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no wonder there is so many on ebay going cheap .300 quid cheaper
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more on fb
Colin Smale
I sold my Deus 2 and re-purchased a deus 1 again. IMHO it is the emperor's new clothes story! I have 40+ years detecting experience. The D2 is not quite right yet, maybe it will be better than the D1 eventually but not as it is at the moment.
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no wonder there is so many on ebay going cheap .300 quid cheaper
Translation - "It was different and I didn't like that at all!" ;D
Seriously though, the vast majority seem very happy with the D2. As always, the dissatisfied shout loudest.
If I do decide to get a D2, I'll still be keeping the D1, but only because the used price is so rubbish these days that it's not worth selling.
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more on fb
Colin Smale
I sold my Deus 2 and re-purchased a deus 1 again. IMHO it is the emperor's new clothes story! I have 40+ years detecting experience. The D2 is not quite right yet, maybe it will be better than the D1 eventually but not as it is at the moment.
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no wonder there is so many on ebay going cheap .300 quid cheaper
I am reading this and it makes me laugh. ‘I have 40 years plus detecting experience’. So what! The D2 is a multi frequency machine and is very, very different to single frequency one and so some people won’t get on with it. The years of detecting with the original deus will have some benefits to the switch to the D2, but lots of drawbacks too. It doesn't sound the same, reacts differently to targets and setting adjustments get very different results.
But what is your point Digger? No matter what machine you or anyone else is swinging we could all find someone who is unhappy with it.
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Well said Oxgirl. :)
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the list of complaints is now impacting prices for second hand on ebay ,not seLling AT 1200 ISH ,1300 no chance
As a matter of interest Diggers , have you used or even seen a D2 in action or are you basing your comments on hearsay and other people’s opinions?
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I have never yet seen a metal detector be released and be universally liked, it just doesn't happen.
The unhappy always shout the loudest, those that like a machine are usually too busy detecting and having a great time.
I've owned and trialled a lot of machines, nothing bettered my Deus 1
My mate bought an Equinox, and it impresses me, Minelab made a good job of that alright.
But there's no shortage of people advising others not to buy either of the above.
Still early days, lots of happy users, and XP never said the D2 would be a magic wand. Whether or not it's worth the upgrade is a very personal thing, but I'm confident it will be successful and drown out the moaners, like all good machines do.
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i was on the regtons list for a d2 but they didnt have a machine with 9 coil so its on the backburner now ti
ll they get probs sorted
sorry nigel
alains formidable cockup ::)
building 11 inch coils when everyone wanted 9inch coils
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We had some 9" coil versions from day one but sadly not many as XP (based on facts) decided the 11" coil version was the most popular version, we would agree with that. Subsequent deliveries we received a drip-feed of 9" coil versions & then a glut of them turned up to clear the backlog, that was around 3 months ago, they have been in stock since then.
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I own both a Deus and a Deus 2. Used the first only once since getting the Deus 2, and this was due to an empty battery on the later. So no, I'm not unhappy. The only adjustments I usually do are changing sound settings and increasing sense.
I find a good amount more small and thin coins and mini buttons and unfortunately also scrap than with the Deus 1, even if it may be mainly due to more digworthy signals.
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I think if people could channel their energy and spare time into learning the machine instead of complaining they would find themselves in a better place.
I know for a fact, some complainers have never owned a Deus II, so you really have to take a step back and ask why.
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We find ourselves in this strange social media world where people offer opinions without any practical experience of what they’re talking about .
Vested interest and hidden agendas come to mind.
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the d2 is too expensive for many guys and theres the d2 on ebay not selling at a discount of 200 quid so all in all guys dont want to part with 1400 quid unless theres clear indications there is an advantage over the d1
gary can let us know about the clear advantages over the d1 in the mag articles
and you cant get a lite for months firther hindering sales for the less well off .
we all dont have 1400 quid to chuck around like its confetti
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We find ourselves in this strange social media world where people offer opinions without any practical experience of what they’re talking about .
Vested interest and hidden agendas come to mind.
and yankee influencers hyped up with questionable claims about its benefits
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We find ourselves in this strange social media world where people offer opinions without any practical experience of what they’re talking about .
Vested interest and hidden agendas come to mind.
and yankee influencers hyped up with questionable claims about its benefits
Oh those darn yankee influencers. But there were just as many naysayers trashing the D2 even though they never even used it. The yankee influencers caused a lot of commotion not by over exaggerating the D2s capabilities but but daring to say it's the best detector on the market. We all know how us humans hate to hear trash talk about whatever brand of anything that we are using. All I know is I like my D2, it is a superior machine compared to my D1, and none of my buddies that went from a Nox to the D2 have any regrets. Yes the D2 is expensive, but if I recall, the D1 was very pricey when it came out. I am not aware of anyone being forced to buy a D2 so folks should enjoy whatever detector they are using. If you have a D2 and just can't warm up to it, just sell it and get the toy you want. You can probably buy 2 popular detectors for the price of a D2.
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I think the Deus 1 was over 1k when it was originally released.
Nigel probably has the old prices.
The Explorer 1 was £1100, the CTX 3030 was over 2k.
Fuel was 90p per litre.
I think you have to factor in R&D wages which need to be paid back into the cooperate pot at some point.
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I think the Deus 1 was over 1k when it was originally released.
Nigel probably has the old prices.
The Explorer 1 was £1100, the CTX 3030 was over 2k.
Fuel was 90p per litre.
I think you have to factor in R&D wages which need to be paid back into the cooperate pot at some point.
D1 was £1,395 when launched in 2010, factor in inflation that would be something like £1,830 now.
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the d2 is too expensive for many guys and theres the d2 on ebay not selling at a discount of 200 quid so all in all guys dont want to part with 1400 quid unless theres clear indications there is an advantage over the d1
gary can let us know about the clear advantages over the d1 in the mag articles
and you cant get a lite for months firther hindering sales for the less well off .
we all dont have 1400 quid to chuck around like its confetti
Have you considered that the machines not selling on eBay at a £200 "discount" may be unsold because for the sake of the extra £200 people would just have a new one, with a full warranty? What's on offer is not a discounted machine, it's a second hand one, so £1200 is maybe a bit ambitious.
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they are new in the box without dirty marks ,some have a foreign receipts whiich puts buyers off but some have regton and detectniks receipts so should at least get some bids ,,but no bids on em, some of them keep coming back week after week but no buyers even at 200 and 300 quid off ..
theyre not even used in the field
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Fear of buying expensive items on flea bay is a real fear for many folks. I've bought many items from sellers on the various detecting forums but I would not from ebay. Call me paranoid if you wish.
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they are new in the box without dirty marks ,some have a foreign receipts whiich puts buyers off but some have regton and detectniks receipts so should at least get some bids ,,but no bids on em, some of them keep coming back week after week but no buyers even at 200 and 300 quid off ..
theyre not even used in the field
Well, given the choice of £1400 for a new one or £1200 for a second hand one that could have been damaged/misused by the first owner, I'd definitely have the new one. £200 isn't enough of a saving to make the risk worthwhile. Remember, it's not a "discount", it's a second hand detector. Mind you, there's some optimistic soul with one on eBay for £1600. He think his second hand detector is worth £200 more than a new one! :o
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Fear of buying expensive items on flea bay is a real fear for many folks. I've bought many items from sellers on the various detecting forums but I would not from ebay. Call me paranoid if you wish.
I seen far too many people selling on Flebay with only stock photo's of so called machine and asked to pay by friends and family to avoid Ebay fees, which of course means you got no come back when things go belly up.
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Fear of buying expensive items on flea bay is a real fear for many folks. I've bought many items from sellers on the various detecting forums but I would not from ebay. Call me paranoid if you wish.
I seen far too many people selling on Flebay with only stock photo's of so called machine and asked to pay by friends and family to avoid Ebay fees, which of course means you got no come back when things go belly up.
Too many people fall for that one and get ripped off sadly :(
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one is covered by paypal ,the trader doesnt get paid until the buyer has confirmed of successful delivery of the goods
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I think the Deus 1 was over 1k when it was originally released.
Nigel probably has the old prices.
The Explorer 1 was £1100, the CTX 3030 was over 2k.
Fuel was 90p per litre.
I think you have to factor in R&D wages which need to be paid back into the cooperate pot at some point.
you get free gear so not worried about the price and writing off d1 kit
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I think the Deus 1 was over 1k when it was originally released.
Nigel probably has the old prices.
The Explorer 1 was £1100, the CTX 3030 was over 2k.
Fuel was 90p per litre.
I think you have to factor in R&D wages which need to be paid back into the cooperate pot at some point.
you get free gear so not worried about the price and writing off d1 kit
That wasn’t necessary nor fair 👎.
Look this is simple, if you think it’s too expensive, don’t buy it.
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I think the Deus 1 was over 1k when it was originally released.
Nigel probably has the old prices.
The Explorer 1 was £1100, the CTX 3030 was over 2k.
Fuel was 90p per litre.
I think you have to factor in R&D wages which need to be paid back into the cooperate pot at some point.
you get free gear so not worried about the price and writing off d1 kit
You're bang out of order with that remark. By all means have a pop at the detector or even the company but don't make personal comments. Gary has done, and will continue to do, a great deal for the hobby. Of course he gets free gear, he works for XP. An apology from yourself to Gary wouldn't go amiss.
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How sad,not knowing where to draw the line .
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they are new in the box without dirty marks ,some have a foreign receipts whiich puts buyers off but some have regton and detectniks receipts so should at least get some bids ,,but no bids on em, some of them keep coming back week after week but no buyers even at 200 and 300 quid off ..
theyre not even used in the field
You're missing the point. It might be in "as new" condition, but it's not new. It could have damage caused by, for example, dropping the remote. That may not be immediately obvious externally and may not be covered by the warranty - you just don't know. £200 more for a full warranty and a known history is well worth it.
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another pre owned on ebay at 1190 today, see if it gets any bids...
they were keenly contested at first but now because of bad news about faults theres usually no bids
no doubt apologists will dream up excuses for no bids taking place
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another pre owned on ebay at 1190 today, see if it gets any bids...
they were keenly contested at first but now because of bad news about faults theres usually no bids
no doubt apologists will dream up excuses for no bids taking place
Really?
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i have been following d2 s on ebay since february ,new and used ..dealers and private...there is a pattern forming
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another pre owned on ebay at 1190 today, see if it gets any bids...
they were keenly contested at first but now because of bad news about faults theres usually no bids
no doubt apologists will dream up excuses for no bids taking place
Cor, a mighty tenner more of a "discount"! ;D
There were bids at first simply because of a lack of availability - people wanted to get their mitts on one, even a second hand one. Now you can just walk into a shop or order online and buy one, nobody wants the slightly cheaper cast offs. That is the very simple reason for the lack of interest in the used machines.
I haven't got one, by the way, so I'm not defending my machine of choice. I'm just not seeing all the "bad news" that you are and may well get one in due course. When I do though, it'll be a new one ;)
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i have been following d2 s on ebay since february ,new and used ..dealers and private...there is a pattern forming
I think you may be on to something, I have also noticed the same pattern thats forming, my own personal and in depth statistical research based on the start price compared to the accepted offer or actual selling price for used D2s on ebay leads me to firmly conclude that the world is flat.
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i have been following d2 s on ebay since february ,new and used ..dealers and private...there is a pattern forming
I think you may be on to something, I have also noticed the same pattern thats forming, my own personal and in depth statistical research based on the start price compared to the accepted offer or actual selling price for used D2s on ebay leads me to firmly conclude that the world is flat.
;D ;D ;D Well said Bentley.
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i have been following d2 s on ebay since february ,new and used ..dealers and private...there is a pattern forming
I think you may be on to something, I have also noticed the same pattern thats forming, my own personal and in depth statistical research based on the start price compared to the accepted offer or actual selling price for used D2s on ebay leads me to firmly conclude that the world is flat.
;D ;D ;D Well said Bentley.
;) ;D ;D
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the d2 on ebay at 1190 is still unsold
wonder why at a 200 discount,
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the d2 on ebay at 1190 is still unsold
wonder why at a 200 discount,
Have you read the description, some scratches so don't expect a new machine, there is only one stock photo no pics of scratches, seller saying nearly 3 years warranty, Xp do 5 year warranty.
You are basically buying it blind,.no wonder it's not sold.
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& just to add my 4pence worth. It's all very well saying the remainder of the manufacturers warranty is included but only worth having if it's a genuine UK machine. If it's not then it has to go back to the seller in whichever Country sold it (good luck with the paperwork) & secondly what happens when you find the original owner decided to take a little look inside, oops, warranty gone & presumably it's with a repair agent because of an issue. We have, in the past seen badly re-assembled Deus 1 remotes & many headphones that have been screwed by a DIY attempt. So, my point is, why would you risk saving on the off chance everything goes well.
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problem with the remote when it works is that the recessed buttons collect dirt and water so they need to be flush tell alain
and its too cluttered
not as good as d1 facia
design error
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problem with the remote when it works is that the recessed buttons collect dirt and water so they need to be flush tell alain
and its too cluttered
not as good as d1 facia
design error
But you can wash it easily as it’s waterproof. It isn’t a design fault, it works brilliantly.
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problem with the remote when it works is that the recessed buttons collect dirt and water so they need to be flush tell alain
and its too cluttered
not as good as d1 facia
design error???
Utter nonsense
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problem with the remote when it works is that the recessed buttons collect dirt and water so they need to be flush tell alain
and its too cluttered
not as good as d1 facia
design error
Are you holding the machine upside down ?, holding the machine by the coil and swinging the arm cuff over the floor will not work.
I would like to know what the exact issues are that are causing such a tirade of machine bashing, I dont partake in the big brand social media world, so dont really understand what the real issue is, apart from it getting dirty when you have dirty hands or gloves, what is the real source of pain you are feeling? Perhaps a handkerchief and a rub down would solve your dirty issues in the field?
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No matter whether the remote is waterproof or not, I always buy and fit a protective cover over it.
It's so easy to take off, clean, replace.
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another brand new d2 on ebay at 970 quid thats not bad eh
guy in london with detectnic receipt in mint condition
a bargain
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another brand new d2 on ebay at 970 quid thats not bad eh
guy in london with detectnic receipt in mint condition
a bargain
Digger go eat your popcorn elsewhere ::)
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another brand new d2 on ebay at 970 quid thats not bad eh
guy in london with detectnic receipt in mint condition
a bargain
Digger go eat your popcorn elsewhere ::)
;D ;D ;D Digger is indeed enjoying himself on this forum.
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another brand new d2 on ebay at 970 quid thats not bad eh
guy in london with detectnic receipt in mint condition
a bargain
If it's such a bargain, buy it. Then you can tell us all what you think of it.
Alternatively, you can keep telling everyone how a machine that you've never owner nor used is rubbish.
I'm guessing you'll be going for the latter option ;D
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I think the minority of the people who bought a D2 expect a overall better machine then the D1, and I think it is, look at his versatility and I think the updates will bring much more in the future, the only thing that bothers me is that de Nokta legend unmasking capabilitys is beyond and I hope the D2 get something similar.
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I think the minority of the people who bought a D2 expect a overall better machine then the D1, and I think it is, look at his versatility and I think the updates will bring much more in the future, the only thing that bothers me is that de Nokta legend unmasking capabilitys is beyond and I hope the D2 get something similar.
The Nokta Legend can unmask better than a Deus (1 or 2) ? That will be a HUGE surprise to my buddy who has all 3 machines and knows how to use all 3 machines.
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Hi:-) well what I have seen with the new update is I think another level,.but then again in don't own a legend , do you have the new update? Gr.c
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I had a VERY battered old Deus for many years from new and had enormous enjoyment and success, had the GMP before that which helped a smooth transition. Recently I bought an almost new Deus1 with HF coil and standard, had the cash for a D2 but not sure if there would be some teething issues. As is the case with ALL electronic devices I suppose.
Getting on great with Deus1 but will follow the feedback on the D2 and may buy one later on.
The hobby has seen an enormous rise in people assuming that spending more equals getting more and sadly that is not the case! Good detecting skills are a pre-requisite for success out on the fields and using a machine that you know inside out and on all ground and conditions.
A good day out detecting does not always mean having hammies etc in the finds pouch. Good buddies, banter, the great outdoors, decent historical land to attack and hopefully some decent finds all make up a good day out!
Patience and understanding go a long way in detecting and it certainly took ME a LONG time to get the most out of my Deus1. D2 will be a better machine no doubt, its just whether its presently worth laying out the cash, Liam
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Well said Liam!
I love my D1. And like you, I put a lot of effort into becoming proficient with it. I knew what every tweak I made to the settings would do and what the machine was telling me. I have the D2. Great machine. Superior to the D1 with its multifrequency platform for the type of detecting I do. But I am not proficient with it yet and some days I am almost tempted to grab the D1 to go hunting just to have that level of comfort and confidence that I don't have with the D2 just yet. I hunt a lot in the iron and the D2 is unmasking targets that the D1 couldn't see, so I will keep working with the D2 until I know it like I know the D1.