Gary's Metal Detecting Forum
Gary's Detecting forum => General detecting talk => Topic started by: nailman on July 04, 2016, 06:02 pm
-
After ten years yes 10 years my Garrett pro pointer has finally given up, so time for a new pointer
I'am torn between the Macro orPI Xpointer from Deteknix, has anyone got any one got any opinions on these models good points bad points.
I don't want another Garrett one person I know had two in a year and both played up, mine has been trouble free used a larger battery Vitara than the Duracell's which wobbled around inside.
-
I have had the Xpointer for four months and it is performing very well with no problems, although four months is not that long it does amount to sixty hours searching and on two occasions a good soaking which it came through even though it is not the submersible version. The only other observation would be that it is more draining on the battery. But that is PI for you I guess.
-
Well I`m still unconvinced with my Nearly new Garrett Carrot ,that I`m going to Gel with it. I`ve used it a few times since buying it new, and I have to say It hasn`t filled me with any convincing hope since using it. Maybe I`m still hurting over the other past two lame duck ones I had ,and its knocked all the confidence out of me that this one is going to be any better. Only time will tell. If it doesn`t act as I think it should be ,it will be sacked !
What really get`s up my craw ,is that they cost a lot of money ,and when you spend that much on the damn things you expect the thing to work right !
-
I am on my Second GC and its working ok at the moment, but probably because I have not used it much since I bought a Nokta Pinpointer some months back and it is now the one I use most, very well made, great quality, waterproof, nice tip protectors, it is a bit different to use the controls but is imo a better pin pointer and all for £40 or so less, topped off with a 2 year warranty, whats not too like.
-
I am on my Second GC and its working ok at the moment, but probably because I have not used it much since I bought a Nokta Pinpointer some months back and it is now the one I use most, very well made, great quality, waterproof, nice tip protectors, it is a bit different to use the controls but is imo a better pin pointer and all for £40 or so less, topped off with a 2 year warranty, whats not too like.
I completely agree, I have the Nokta Pinpointer and found it to be everything you would want apart from the interference with my detector was awful, I tried everything to limit the noise and only bought the Xpointer when I could stand it no longer.
-
After ten years yes 10 years my Garrett pro pointer has finally given up, so time for a new pointer
I'am torn between the Macro orPI Xpointer from Deteknix, has anyone got any one got any opinions on these models good points bad points.
I don't want another Garrett one person I know had two in a year and both played up, mine has been trouble free used a larger battery Vitara than the Duracell's which wobbled around inside.
If you use a XP detector ? then maybe worth hanging on until the new XP Probe comes out later this year ?
-
I found the x pointer has a poorly fitting end cap making it prone to stripping the screw thread. Gave mine away.
-
I know it's expensive but what about White's TRX?
-
I found the x pointer has a poorly fitting end cap making it prone to stripping the screw thread. Gave mine away.
Early models used cheap plastics, new ones have a far better screw cap. Just watched an in depth review from USA. The guy phoned Deteknix and they admitted they had made initial mistakes and sent him a new improved one. I have only had my carrot, after 5 months very happy but without comparisons.
-
I am on my Second GC and its working ok at the moment, but probably because I have not used it much since I bought a Nokta Pinpointer some months back and it is now the one I use most, very well made, great quality, waterproof, nice tip protectors, it is a bit different to use the controls but is imo a better pin pointer and all for £40 or so less, topped off with a 2 year warranty, whats not too like.
I`ve had one similar to one of those but it was the Makro one (a sister company). I couldn`t get to like the on /off controls at the base of the probe. To my way of working you had to use it with two hands .One to hold the shaft ,while the other to activate the on or off button at the base . I didn`t like that idea as when your in the field ,I like to grab the Probe with my right hand and press the on off button on the back of the length of the probe with the thumb of the same hand all in one movement . With the Makro one you had to use two hands but you need to hold the detector to,so It wasn`t to my liking ,so that went.
-
I like my Makro in that it is actually waterproof and not just water resistant. But I am in agreement with Peter, the position of the buttons is a drawback.
-
Cheers everybody looks like the Makro unless XP get a move on just waiting for V 4 to come out, so they might have got their act together before the Autumn
-
Cheers everybody looks like the Makro unless XP get a move on just waiting for V 4 to come out, so they might have got their act together before the Autumn
I dont think it will be a cheap option.
-
I have owned and used pinpointers from the early Wizard and Merlin days and I bought a PI Xpointer from Deteknix but I could not get on with it as it seemed to interfere with my detectors and got on my nerves so sold it on
IMHO the Garrett is the daddy I have both the black and the Orange versions and I prefer using the Original Blacl version but if I were to go to a beach I would of course take the carrot
-
I am on my Second GC and its working ok at the moment, but probably because I have not used it much since I bought a Nokta Pinpointer some months back and it is now the one I use most, very well made, great quality, waterproof, nice tip protectors, it is a bit different to use the controls but is imo a better pin pointer and all for £40 or so less, topped off with a 2 year warranty, whats not too like.
I completely agree, I have the Nokta Pinpointer and found it to be everything you would want apart from the interference with my detector was awful, I tried everything to limit the noise and only bought the Xpointer when I could stand it no longer.
Interesting, I have heard of this but it doesnt interfere with any of my detectors at all, maybe a faulty one?? Who knows.
-
I have the garrett carrot and its a great bit of kit but if your using a 13x11 deus coil it will drive machine mad when you switch pointer on
-
I have the garrett carrot and its a great bit of kit but if your using a 13x11 deus coil it will drive machine mad when you switch pointer on
I should imagine this depends on what frequency your in ? Going by that the Carrots frequency is 11.5 kHz It could be assumed that only 12kHz frequency should possibly clash with the detector .Maybe changing to Deus fast 18kHz would be a better bet if you get interference from the Probe`s 11.5 kHz ?
I have to admit since buying the Garrett Carrot I`ve not had my 13" coil on to see .
-
The Nokta pointer I have interferes with every frequency on the Deus and frequency shift makes not a bit of difference.
It could be a rouge one, Nigel recommended every new probe should be tested before use for compatibility before taking it out and using it in the field.
-
Well,I have no answer to that then. ;D ;D
-
The Nokta pointer I have interferes with every frequency on the Deus and frequency shift makes not a bit of difference.
It could be a rouge one, Nigel recommended every new probe should be tested before use for compatibility before taking it out and using it in the field.
That's a bit concerning as I am hoping to get a Deus once v4 appears
-
Garrett Pro pointer for me no nonsense with all the different power settings just switch on and go.
-
The Nokta pointer I have interferes with every frequency on the Deus and frequency shift makes not a bit of difference.
It could be a rouge one, Nigel recommended every new probe should be tested before use for compatibility before taking it out and using it in the field.
As I said on another post my Nokta doesnt interfere with any of my detectors, I have just checked it again against all the progs and freqs on the Deus and its fine. However, I tried the GC (I have not used it with the Deus before) and it interferes with every frequency, every programme even with frequency shift, daft eh!!!
(Added @ 18.50) I should add that's on the 9" and 11" coils, with it being worse on the 11" than it is on the 9".
-
The Nokta pointer I have interferes with every frequency on the Deus and frequency shift makes not a bit of difference.
It could be a rouge one, Nigel recommended every new probe should be tested before use for compatibility before taking it out and using it in the field.
That's a bit concerning as I am hoping to get a Deus once v4 appears
Id wait till xp deliver theirs. Makes sence.
-
The Nokta pointer I have interferes with every frequency on the Deus and frequency shift makes not a bit of difference.
It could be a rouge one, Nigel recommended every new probe should be tested before use for compatibility before taking it out and using it in the field.
As I said on another post my Nokta doesnt interfere with any of my detectors, I have just checked it again against all the progs and freqs on the Deus and its fine. However, I tried the GC (I have not used it with the Deus before) and it interferes with every frequency, every programme even with frequency shift, daft eh!!!
You have just answered my thoughts on why in Gary's videos he uses the original and not the carrot.
-
The Nokta pointer I have interferes with every frequency on the Deus and frequency shift makes not a bit of difference.
It could be a rouge one, Nigel recommended every new probe should be tested before use for compatibility before taking it out and using it in the field.
As I said on another post my Nokta doesnt interfere with any of my detectors, I have just checked it again against all the progs and freqs on the Deus and its fine. However, I tried the GC (I have not used it with the Deus before) and it interferes with every frequency, every programme even with frequency shift, daft eh!!!
(Added @ 18.50) I should add that's on the 9" and 11" coils, with it being worse on the 11" than it is on the 9".
Weird as my carrot works perfectly with a frequency shift either side of standard? Strange eh? Maybe slight variants of frequency in the probes???
-
The Nokta pointer I have interferes with every frequency on the Deus and frequency shift makes not a bit of difference.
It could be a rouge one, Nigel recommended every new probe should be tested before use for compatibility before taking it out and using it in the field.
As I said on another post my Nokta doesnt interfere with any of my detectors, I have just checked it again against all the progs and freqs on the Deus and its fine. However, I tried the GC (I have not used it with the Deus before) and it interferes with every frequency, every programme even with frequency shift, daft eh!!!
(Added @ 18.50) I should add that's on the 9" and 11" coils, with it being worse on the 11" than it is on the 9".
Weird as my carrot works perfectly with a frequency shift either side of standard? Strange eh? Maybe slight variants of frequency in the probes???
I would lean towards the Probes as well
-
The carrot can interfere with mine sometimes, I think it's pot luck on the combo of pointer and machine.
-
The carrot can interfere with mine sometimes, I think it's pot luck on the combo of pointer and machine.
I don't think I'll get another garrott mine is about 7-10 years old so I've reckoned it's given me excellent service the only time it falsed was when someone gave me a Duracell battery on a dig, back to the car put a Vitara battery in no problem when I checked the two batteries the Duracell was about a millimetre smaller, it's now in my Laser Scout.
I know people who have had problems with new ones, makes me wonder if they are being made cheap someware, strange for a established manufacturer and when you look at Regtons site, the spare parts list puts me off. I will be getting a Deus later this year so don't want something that interfere, no doubt the XP pointer will be expensive, just wish they would get on with it, they said Spring 2016 now summer
-
Now late Summer.
-
The XP pin pointer will hopefully be the same price as the Garrett.
Out of all the choices on today's market I think the Garrett is the best.
The probe I use in my videos is often the new Garrett II it's black. Sometimes I use the carrot.
Nigel @ Regton will give more details on the 2 models, it's like the carrot but with less features and cheaper.
-
Thanks for putting my thoughts right Gary.
-
My dad, bless him, proudly announced the other day that he'd bought a pinpointer on eBay and would it be okay if he got it posted to my work.
I'd warned him about the fake garretts and to stay away from them. He then told me what he'd soon at auction for £12.50 plus postage and it's coming to work today!
I'll keep you in suspense until it arrives!!
-
That's really nice of him mate.
-
That's really nice of him mate.
It's for himself mate, he's started doing a little bit of fair weather detecting with the ADX150 I gave him. He was taking ages getting the target out of the hole and wanted a probe but hasn't got much spare cash.
Anyhow, here's what he's bought bless him :)
-
Hey I `ve had one of those in the past and I found it a handy little pin pointer. It worked well and I kept it for ages till I had a Whites bullseye 11 as a present for Xmas one year. I think for the money they are fine. I`d certainly use one today if I hadn`t one of the more "in vogue" types of today or, have one in my boot as a back up .A No frills ,does what it says on the tin jobby !
-
That's really nice of him mate.
It's for himself mate, he's started doing a little bit of fair weather detecting with the ADX150 I gave him. He was taking ages getting the target out of the hole and wanted a probe but hasn't got much spare cash.
Anyhow, here's what he's bought bless him :)
My goodness, that's a museum piece, last seen around 20/25 yrs ago Arthur Sharples (manufacturer) has long passed away.
-
The probe I use in my videos is often the new Garrett II it's black. Sometimes I use the carrot.
Nigel @ Regton will give more details on the 2 models, it's like the carrot but with less features and cheaper.
Very simply.....
Pro-pointer II addressed the two vulnerable parts of the Mk1 probe, 1. switch is a lot larger & better construction & 2. the construction of the coil assembly is not encapsulated in resin, it's now in foam suspension, this equates to no more switches being broken off & no more falsing. Water can still get past the rubber on/off cover.
Pro Pointer AT (Carrot) has the same as above PLUS waterproof on/off cover, adjustable sensitivity (x3) & audio off modes, sensitivity level two is same as Pro-pointer I & II & on level 3 it's deeper, you can turn down sensitivity simply by pressing on/off button momentarily, lastly the colour is to aid you when you drop the probe (we all do at some point).
Back to an earlier point, ANY probe can affect ANY detector, ANY make, it's simply good or bad luck if you have the combination that doesn't interfere but remember this is only your current detector, the next one may have the problem.
What I would say is that if anyone buys a probe & subsequently find it interferes then do not use it, speak to the seller who 'should' oblige & replace (carriage would be down to individual as it's not the probe being faulty, just a miss-match so it could be blamed on detector also), just apply common sense, if you're fair with dealers they are mostly fair with you, just explain what the issue is and they should be fine.
Hope that helps.
-
Thanks for pointing all that out Nigel and clearing a few things up.
-
That's really nice of him mate.
It's for himself mate, he's started doing a little bit of fair weather detecting with the ADX150 I gave him. He was taking ages getting the target out of the hole and wanted a probe but hasn't got much spare cash.
Anyhow, here's what he's bought bless him :)
My goodness, that's a museum piece, last seen around 20/25 yrs ago Arthur Sharples (manufacturer) has long passed away.
That's an interesting bit of info Nigel, thanks for that :)
-
Thanks for info Nigel might just reconsider the Garrett
-
Just as an addage, I have just tried a Pro Find 25 against the XP, the worst for interference by a long way, however, the frequency shift either way on the XP on all the frequencies made it absolutely silent, not a murmur of interference.
Great info btw Nigel and good advice too.
-
Just as an addage, I have just tried a Pro Find 25 against the XP, the worst for interference by a long way, however, the frequency shift either way on the XP on all the frequencies made it absolutely silent, not a murmur of interference.
Great info btw Nigel and good advice too.
Iv'e seen the same thing with frequency shift on Deus and a Garrett Carrot. Worked a treat.