Gary's Metal Detecting Forum
Gary's Detecting forum => General detecting talk => Topic started by: JBM on October 12, 2015, 09:01 am
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BBC1 Points West Tonight at 6.30pm.
A programme covering this subject including the setting up of night cameras to catch the culprits
will be shown. ;) Jerry.
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I wonder if the BBC will do a program on scrap metal theft? Also on retired/ senior citizens who's property's back on to woodland feel that its fine to extend their boundary into the woodland. How about hare coursing and the killing of badgers, deer, foxes brutally every night of the week with pit bull/greyhound cross dogs. ( the farmer boys gang are the worst for this crime). It always amazes me that areas like a man or men going into a field get focuced on when there are bigger issues to be delt with that the public needs to be made aware off. No, I don't agree with night hawking but it just seems so trivial to what's really going on around us.
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I don't know that it is trivial.i bet a lot of detectorists have lost or nearly lost their permission because of night hawks.then there is the question of important finds that do not get reported to the local F.L.O.i hope that some of these people get recognised.
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BBC1 Points West Tonight at 6.30pm.
A programme covering this subject including the setting up of night cameras to catch the culprits
will be shown. ;) Jerry.
Hi guys just had a call to say that the full length footage is on at 7.30-800pm after the BBC 1 one show. ;) Jerry.
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alot of gamekeepers these days are quite well set up for tresspassers due to the hare coursing i should think its not as safe being a nighthawk as it was 10-20 years ago lots use scout cameras etc
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Thanks Jerry, should be interesting. Anybody outside BBC West region (like me), channel 966 on sky.
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Thanks Jerry .will take a look.
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What about free view channels
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Once again it's the media controlling our thoughts, innocent people are being stabbed or shot in our cities because they are not of a certain religion, we hear nothing about it and the media covers night hawking and mis use of blue badges..
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I don't disagree with any of the arguments of the sort of things that should and could be discussed on this type of program and it will be interesting to see if they show a responsible detectorist to get both sides of what metal detecting is all about.should night hawking be kept behind closed doors or should it be highlighted?.i dare say that a lot of people will agree and disagree on the subject.i have a couple of farmers that have approached me about detectorists night hawking and have to explain that it was not me.i have lost my detecting land at the moment because of a change of farmer,but am still fighting my corner.i don't really know why(after being there for the last twenty five years)it should be the case,but farmers do talk to each other about what goes on with their land.anyway,happy days. 😄 😄
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I think"NIGHTHAWKS" is to glamorous Bloody thieves morelike
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There was something about nighthawking this morning , didn't get to hear much as we were all piled in the van, snoring, farting the usual builders start to the week ;D
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06gq01d#play
jump to 04.40
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Well there you have it including faces to think about. ;) Jerry.
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It did not show in the south.
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Missed it
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It's on I player just search inside out west
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Cheers!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b06h881h/inside-out-west-12102015
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I don't buy it, I don't think those are even English guys, the driver was called Vlad.
The super secret night camera had a flashing light on it, most people would have had that away for starters.
The farmer couldn't find any holes, the only sensible one was the guy at the Bristol museum.
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My thoughts exactly a load of rubbish they haven't even done their homework as usual knocked up in five minutes to fill the schedule
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Apart from these guys being on private land, there was no evidence to prove that they removed any object from the ground (at least from what the BBC decided to show us). So trespass they committed but trespass and the issue of trespass ends when they removed themselves from the land. No crime was committed! That is my take on it anyway!
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Well names please lets name and shame them whether they are British or not, Night hawkers are scum who are dragging us all in to the public glare and not in a positive way, they continue to grab the headlines and it is the headlines that lead to knee jerk reactions from the establishment like BANNING DETECTING, make no excuses these scum are just the tip of a very big iceberg, the authorities have already created Heritage Crime what's to say what they are working on behind closed doors? The Establishment do not like us we have no friends at court, we do not have stewardship schemes throwing thousands of pounds at Farmers & Landowners to get them to allow detecting, We need to make ourselves heard in the right manner to the right people we are not criminals most are ordinary law abiding individuals who come from all walks of life, again it is criminals seeing an easy buck who are ruining the genuine hobby enjoyed by the masses, lets see these thieves prosecuted and in jail in a mass of publicity and also those who profit by buying all these unregistered coins and artefacts, if you banned them off ebay and facebook then targeted auction houses it would send a message to all sides that they are all part of the problem and will be punished for the part they play in it, if there's no demand then the need to supply will dry up
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My thoughts exactly a load of rubbish they haven't even done their homework as usual knocked up in five minutes to fill the schedule
My thoughts exactly deano. What a load of cr@p
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They should come to one of my sites, they will get their evidence then, I can even tell them where the gang leader lives.
I agree it should be dealt with by the law, but making TV programs almost encourage people to the danger.
Any land owner watching that will judge us differently from now on.
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Good idea Gary . Why don't you try contacting them and get them to come and see you . This way we can put things straight and put over your side.
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Any land owner watching that will judge us differently from now on.
Exactly that mate.
It was quite evident that he used his TV connections to make this program full of mistakes. I like the way he walked to a slightly disturbed bit of soil and tried to convince the audience that history had been taken from us for ever. The farmer was not so sure as im sure he was thinking badger/ fox or even a kill site.
The thing is you can make this sort of programe about so many topics as there are wrong doers every where. I do think it wrong to use TV to target a hobby carried out by law abiding people.
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The positive I got from was the Detective saying that banning detecting would just drive detecting under ground. We have being trying to tell the authorities over here for that for years but they will have none of it.
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Unfortunately sensationalist media is what we have to live with nowadays, its easier to appeal to the masses to run with screaming headline type broadcasting, than a well researched and balanced programme >:(
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What a load of rubbish.seems to have been play acted for t.v.i don't think it would have put many nitehawkers off.
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This thing is scewed against the detectorist, just to sensationalize the story and make watchable by non detectorist's.
And how much is claimed by these archaeologist's, because they can claim an article just like anyone else, when on a dig.
Also what gets my goat is that they would rather an item was lost or destroyed, if it meant it would be found by anyone but them.
What I mean by that is when they build houses, and they take top couple of feet of soil off the site and dumped. They would rather it was lost than a detectorist find it.
And remember the episode of Time Team where Tony Robinson scattered off cuts of copper pipe to stop detecting.
I also agree there are a lot more important issues in the coutryside, such as badger baiting and people using crossbows to try and kill the animals. In particular deer which won't be killed unless the bolt goes through the heart, and will wander around for months or years with a bolt stuck in them suffering.
That's why it is illegal to use a crossbow to kill an animal.
John.
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Every time I watch one of these programs it's the same they say it's night hawkers but there was only a little bit about responsible detecting being good ilit's just a back handed way of putting a bit of a shadow over detecting as a whole nighthawks are just there ammunition.
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I have sent them a twitter message, twitter is very powerful for making complaints because they have to act on it.
@InsideOutWest
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Just watched the program and they kept on about camouflage gear.
So if you wear camo gear your a shite hawk. ???
Also they were saying that detectorist's were digging deeper than nine inches that the farmer is allowed to plough. So in the two thousand years of ploughing that was carried out before the sites were scheduled, the ploughing was never more than nine inches, what a joke.
And if the first foot of soil is so important to them, why did they show an excavation that was three or four feet deep.
A good song for archaeologists is Queen's's I Want It All. ;D
John.
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These programs always suggest that the nighthawks have, without doubt, stolen high value artefacts, the language always hints that a 'priceless valuable' item has been lifted and lost forever .. / or some great historical knowledge has been lost..
The archeaologist in the program even suggests that a 'statue' could have been taken.. How many of those do you come across? ;D
In truth, these guys probably had a pocket of foil, blank buttons and maybe a few unreadable grots, and they no doubt spent their time nervously looking over their shoulders for it...!
I think nighthawking is disgusting behaviour, and the selfish sods ruin the hobby for us all - and they should be caught and dealt with in some way, but there are a lot more serious crimes going unsolved by our overstretched police..
I seem to remember a story of a bent archaeologist, taking and selling stuff on ebay before - I'm sure he's not the only one either..!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2333461/Raider-Lost-Vases-Archaeologist-jailed-15-months-stealing-17th-century-relics-selling-eBay.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2333461/Raider-Lost-Vases-Archaeologist-jailed-15-months-stealing-17th-century-relics-selling-eBay.html)
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I have also complained to the BBC about this matter .
On several recent BBC programmes ( both Radio and TV ) that have covered the subject of Nighthawking ( Illegal metal detecting ) there has been absolutely no attempt to differentiate between this practice and legal Metal Detecting . This imbalance in the reporting of my hobby is both annoying and distressing in equal parts , I am a member of the NCMD ( National Council for Metal Detecting and detect legally on permissions . I show all relevant finds as covered by the Treasure Act to my local FLO ( Finds Liason Officer ) at Derby Museum and am a member of the Portable Antiquities Scheme as well . Metal Detecting is not only done by criminals but anyone viewing or listening to your programmes could quite easily gain that impression .
I hope to hear back from them in the next two weeks :)
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its bad enough finding things in daylight i cant believe these desparadoes find much in the dark ,livestock russlers must fare better ,and machinery thieves do better at night .
the big finds are hyped up IMO.
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Did you ever hear anything back?
I have also complained to the BBC about this matter .
On several recent BBC programmes ( both Radio and TV ) that have covered the subject of Nighthawking ( Illegal metal detecting ) there has been absolutely no attempt to differentiate between this practice and legal Metal Detecting . This imbalance in the reporting of my hobby is both annoying and distressing in equal parts , I am a member of the NCMD ( National Council for Metal Detecting and detect legally on permissions . I show all relevant finds as covered by the Treasure Act to my local FLO ( Finds Liason Officer ) at Derby Museum and am a member of the Portable Antiquities Scheme as well . Metal Detecting is not only done by criminals but anyone viewing or listening to your programmes could quite easily gain that impression .
I hope to hear back from them in the next two weeks :)
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Did you ever hear anything back?
I have also complained to the BBC about this matter .
On several recent BBC programmes ( both Radio and TV ) that have covered the subject of Nighthawking ( Illegal metal detecting ) there has been absolutely no attempt to differentiate between this practice and legal Metal Detecting . This imbalance in the reporting of my hobby is both annoying and distressing in equal parts , I am a member of the NCMD ( National Council for Metal Detecting and detect legally on permissions . I show all relevant finds as covered by the Treasure Act to my local FLO ( Finds Liason Officer ) at Derby Museum and am a member of the Portable Antiquities Scheme as well . Metal Detecting is not only done by criminals but anyone viewing or listening to your programmes could quite easily gain that impression .
I hope to hear back from them in the next two weeks :)
Yes , I had to send them another e-mail with details of the actual offending programmes and am still waiting for the result but they did say they are actively investigating the issue :)