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Gary's Detecting forum => General detecting talk => Topic started by: Keith67 on March 27, 2018, 12:36 am
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I guess you can't really do a full review in a 10 minute video, so make yourself a brew and give this a whirl, I found it interesting. Worth watching IMHO.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qviu9FCEJiM
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Thanks for posting Keith.
A very interesting video.
IMHO certainly not Gods gift to metal detecting and those who sold other certain well proven machines will be sorry in the long run.
Happy Hunting,
Jerry.
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Why can't Americans day Equinox ;)
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Nearly as bad as mispronouncing say, Wusty ;D
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EMI from the headphones ?? I very much doubt that.
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Try watching a few from the calabash digger a different viewpoint from a big deus fan
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Try watching a few from the calabash digger a different viewpoint from a big deus fan
Yes I've been watching those mate, and as you say it's a different viewpoint. That's really the reason I posted this video, just for different viewpoint for our general discussion.
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Here's a far more positive report from the Dankowski forum ;)
Sunday I managed to do 200 meters of field with the Nox 800 in Field 1 with the only modification of adding 2 points of iron bias.
Only dug a few iron targets to get a feel for the soil and dug non-ferrous the rest of the hunt.
The finds pouch was a mix of high conductors, low conductors, large and small. It felt like I was using several detectors at once.
And the ground was alive with targets. Even to the point I actually lowered sens slightly because I was chasing too much small signals.
That is Equinox,... it can easily overwhelm you.
Deus forces you to choose a frequency and be content with what you are finding,... AND second guessing yourself what targets you have left behind.
Equinox is simply put a Deus Killer,... no need for it anymore. Minelab has built a better mouse trap!
It use to be I was perfectly happy with the instant spot on ground balance and performance of my Whites MXT All Pro.
Deep on the small thin coinage I’m hunting for.
And more than sens enough for me to chase small targets with the pinpointer in my hand.
And that with a 10” coil.
Now that machine feels like it lacks power.
I was perfectly happy with my X-terra 705 and 10” 18,75 kHz coil in prospecting mode, very deep on dry sand for low conductors.
Equinox 800 in Gold 1 made me sit down and scratch my head in disbelief,... how do I tame this beast??
I’m trying to figure out why I still need my CTX, X-terra, Whites MXT Allpro, CZ-6 the best I can. They are all very capable units.
How on earth do I try and sell them??
The answer is plain and simple,... I won’t,... I ordered a second Nox 800 just to run the small coil when available.
And my tried and trusted machines are going to decorate my man-cave.
Equinox 800 has just obsoleted about 5000€ of detectors to the equivalent of wall-paper.
And then I’m not going to start about the 2 full kit Deus units I had, 3 Fishers and those Garetts.
I make some nice finds, I’ve made some great finds but ultimatly for me it’s about my next find :-)
Nox 800 gives me the greatest advantage!
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Not one word about the settings, features, how and why etc just a lot of talk about it being better than everything else.
Read between the lines would be my advice, he could have written that without even owning one.
I see the prototypes had some interesting writing on them
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Don't tell even the prototypes were Chinese knock offs.
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Not one word about the settings, features, how and why etc just a lot of talk about it being better than everything else.
Read between the lines would be my advice, he could have written that without even owning one.
I see the prototypes had some interesting writing on them
Why do people have to go over the top and bash other machines like this. A "Deus Killer" oh come on now, my Deus is hoovering up fantastic finds from my new permission, it's still a great machine. I don't mind people praising the Nox, fair enough, but not like this.
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Not one word about the settings, features, how and why etc just a lot of talk about it being better than everything else.
Read between the lines would be my advice, he could have written that without even owning one.
I see the prototypes had some interesting writing on them
Why do people have to go over the top and bash other machines like this. A "Deus Killer" oh come on now, my Deus is hoovering up fantastic finds from my new permission, it's still a great machine. I don't mind people praising the Nox, fair enough, but not like this.
It is getting stupid
I used to work as a press photographer and used Cannon cameras, other guys used Nikon outfits it was roughly 50/50 split if I missed a shot I would get the “ should have got a Nikon mate” and vice verser it was all good taste.
But since my return to detecting the my make is better than yours, borders on civil war
I really don’t give a care what machine you are using I’am happy with my equipment.
Every report I’ve seen for the nox appears to be extremely bias and almost scripted
Why are all the videos American.
Minelab have hyped up the nox , the proof will be in the pudding as the saying goes, if not then they have egg on their face.
I want to hear feedback from genuine users not people who have been given a nox
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I got my Equinox 800 a week ago, but purposely waited in going out with it until I had got to know my way around the menu and experimented with the signals.
Today was the first time I took it out in the fields. I have 3 fields close by that I use with all my latest acquisitions.
I have to say I was impressed with it's performance. I was getting finds of tiny pieces of lead at 7 to 8 inches and the signal was loud. Best depth today was 11 inches on a 25mm sized flat bronze ring (not a finger ring).
I was using the Minelab wireless headphones but would have preferred to try out either my Sunrays or Gray Ghosts NDT. The adaptor for the module was not available at the time but has now been delivered, so the next outing I can give my preferred headphones a try.
In the short 2 hour hunt I had 6 pieces of lead, 4 buttons, 1 coin (10p), watch winder, bronze flat ring (not a finger ring), 3 pieces of foil, 2 shotgun cartridges and the only piece of iron that fooled me which was a huge circular block approx 75m in dia and 20mm thick. It was a busy period and I was really pleased with the sharpness of the machine.
I cannot take any credit for the settings as I copied Gordon's 4 x 4 programme which is meant for deep pasture hunting.
As I got the settings from youtube, I don't think Gordon will mind me reproducing them here:
Field 1, Iron Bias 4, Recovery Speed 4, All Metal, Sens 22 (although I managed a stable 23), GB 0, Multi IQ, Tone Break T1 = 2, Tone Vol T1 = 4 T2 = 25, Tone Pitch T1 = 1 T2 = 20.
At the moment I don't like the actual tones but with more experimenting, plus the use of my own headphones I hope to improve on this.
Now I have tried the Equinox I am confident enough to put my Etrac up for sale.
However, one swallow doesn't make a summer and one outing with a new detector doesn't mean it's perfect. I have yet to operate near power lines, electric fences, highly mineralised sites, iron infested sites, etc. All I can say is, so far I am impressed.
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Thank you for a straight all facts report no BS there :D
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nice straight revue that ...keep us updated lobo on your thoughts 8)
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Thanks Lobo, good feedback, I am surprised you could run the sensitivity so high.
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Thanks Logo, good feedback, I am surprised you could run the sensitivity so high.
Yes, I was pleasantly surprised myself although Gordon has his settings recorded at 22 for sensitivity with this program.
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Thanks Lobo, great feedback.
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I am surprised people don't do what I do when comparing machines. Run a parallel 1 metre wide piece of fluorescent or garden string and run it for a pathway length of 20 or 30 metres. Get some numbered non metalic /counters and then everytime you get a signal place it ontop of the target.
This way you can get a true reading of each machine as you will be going over it and following the same line and not vering to the left or right.
The whole setup process will take approx an extra 20 mins from start to finish but you should have a true idea as conditions and the ground affect the machines differently at different times.
This way you can experiment with different settings as you don't know what's below you and you can go over it several times. Much of the time on the path you take if it's a well detected path you will get a true outcome by the results revealed.
Using the numbers on the counters you can record the target types and what each machine found.
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What a brilliant idea that would be a real test like to see this done with the top machines wonder if anyone has done this very interesting I would imagine ;D
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Yes I have done this several times in my reviews i the past.
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It is a good way of comparing machines, but, you are relying on there being a difficult target (i.e. deep, next to iron, coin on it's edge etc) within the bordered area and each machine set up to maximise settings.
I guess it just goes to show, we all have different ways of evaluating machines.
HH
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Perhaps all the top brands of machines in a field with their respected users cross matching every signal then logged by an independent reviewer before being dug be very slow but we could all see and then make our minds up, doubt there would be an appetite for it though by manufacturers.
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Most machines will find a target if you know its there, its when you are walking, does the signal stop you in your tracks?
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Most machines will find a target if you know its there, its when you are walking, does the signal stop you in your tracks?
Very good point. I notice on the tests that Calabash does in the US that he wriggles directly on the target which is nothing like a single swing in a field. If it doesn't hit it with a normal swing it's a fail, simple as that IMO.
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Why can't Americans day Equinox ;)
Let's not lump all us yanks in to one basket please ;D
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I visit the American "finds treasure forum" everyday to see whats happening.
I notice that the Equinox section now has 4 full pages of comments and niggles about the Shaft Wobble.
That would annoy me and when I have ever had the need, I fit a Plugger fitting from the USA.
Only 3 days from Florida to the UK and the problem is solved.
They also produce a stepped version which allowed me to fit a XP GMP bottom shaft to a Whites centre section 3 years ago.
I also read that some Exuinox owners have been supplied a replacement shaft. ;) Jerry.
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The thread for the subject matter (Shaft Wobble) is now 5 pages long and the latest has a guy using black electrical insulating tape to stop the movement.
Perhaps its just a single batch of Machines in the USA ?. Jerry.
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Yeah the first batch very often has teething problems.
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The thread for the subject matter (Shaft Wobble) is now 5 pages long and the latest has a guy using black electrical insulating tape to stop the movement.
Perhaps its just a single batch of Machines in the USA ?. Jerry.
Or the Chinese knock offs
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The thread for the subject matter (Shaft Wobble) is now 5 pages long and the latest has a guy using black electrical insulating tape to stop the movement.
Perhaps its just a single batch of Machines in the USA ?. Jerry.
Or the Chinese knock offs
As if :D :D :D
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Been using the deus with hf and its a pleasure to use and i have had some great fimds on my Roman site, only problem with the deus is the tones imo could be better , for that reason i might consider an equinox ???
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Thank you for a straight all facts report no BS there :D
Great report Lobo. That is exactly how I found it. Tiny targets booming out. Can be a bit confusing til you get used to it. I also do not like the tones, but have to get used to them I guess. I have got a 600 but it's not difficult to make the necessary adjustments to get it very similar to a 800, without the cordless of course. I don't understand why others are blowing it up too much or running it down too much. Wish everyone would just stick to the facts.
Bri
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I got my Equinox 800 a week ago, but purposely waited in going out with it until I had got to know my way around the menu and experimented with the signals.
Today was the first time I took it out in the fields. I have 3 fields close by that I use with all my latest acquisitions.
I have to say I was impressed with it's performance. I was getting finds of tiny pieces of lead at 7 to 8 inches and the signal was loud. Best depth today was 11 inches on a 25mm sized flat bronze ring (not a finger ring).
I was using the Minelab wireless headphones but would have preferred to try out either my Sunrays or Gray Ghosts NDT. The adaptor for the module was not available at the time but has now been delivered, so the next outing I can give my preferred headphones a try.
In the short 2 hour hunt I had 6 pieces of lead, 4 buttons, 1 coin (10p), watch winder, bronze flat ring (not a finger ring), 3 pieces of foil, 2 shotgun cartridges and the only piece of iron that fooled me which was a huge circular block approx 75m in dia and 20mm thick. It was a busy period and I was really pleased with the sharpness of the machine.
I cannot take any credit for the settings as I copied Gordon's 4 x 4 programme which is meant for deep pasture hunting.
As I got the settings from youtube, I don't think Gordon will mind me reproducing them here:
Field 1, Iron Bias 4, Recovery Speed 4, All Metal, Sens 22 (although I managed a stable 23), GB 0, Multi IQ, Tone Break T1 = 2, Tone Vol T1 = 4 T2 = 25, Tone Pitch T1 = 1 T2 = 20.
At the moment I don't like the actual tones but with more experimenting, plus the use of my own headphones I hope to improve on this.
Now I have tried the Equinox I am confident enough to put my Etrac up for sale.
However, one swallow doesn't make a summer and one outing with a new detector doesn't mean it's perfect. I have yet to operate near power lines, electric fences, highly mineralised sites, iron infested sites, etc. All I can say is, so far I am impressed.
Great report Lobo. That is exactly how I found it. Tiny targets booming out. Can be a bit confusing til you get used to it. I also do not like the tones, but have to get used to them I guess. I have got a 600 but it's not difficult to make the necessary adjustments to get it very similar to a 800, without the cordless of course. I don't understand why others are blowing it up too much or running it down too much. Wish everyone would just stick to the facts.
Bri
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Look at the length of the Shaft Wobble Thread. ;)
3765 viewings todate. Jerry.
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That's exaggerated or they have not got them set up right. The only field I have at the moment is hard stubble and I am not getting any wobble.
Bri
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Hi Bri, its a serious thread that you can visit on their site.
Probably a batch batch of shaft locking units in the USA. ;) :) Jerry.
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Hi Jerry. Thanks. Well I can only speak about mine of course. Going to a big rally next weekend. Will see what others are like if I can spot any.
Bri
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Hi Bri which rally are you going to ?. :) Jerry.
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It's the Rotary Club one at Little Corby Jerry. Fortunately our static is near there. I bought a Deus to go to it last year. But the update came out. So I sent it back for the update and they messed it up!!! So I missed the rally.
Bri
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We went to a really nice Rally a couple of weeks ago in Herefordshire.
I hope you have a good time and bring home a few finds to show us. :) Jerry.
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Thanks Jerry. Hope it is not like today. It's tipping down here.
Bri
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In the 80s and 90s I was mad on motorbikes, the more horse power the better. Every few months you could read in the Motorcycle News about the latest offering from one of the manufacturers and how they had improved the bike by fitting carbon fibre this or magnesium that to take 1.5kg of its weigh to improve handling and performance. (They wasted their time I weighed 16 stone)
In reality only a hand full of riders had the skills to take advantage of their improvements and from my observations it’s the same with most hobbies.
A good shot with a cheap gun always out shoots average shot with a expensive gun.
A good angler will always catch more with than a poor angler with the latest tackle.
It is the same with metal detecting, Go on a dig you will observe the experience and novices with very able machines and all the gear waving their coils 5” from the ground going at tremendous speed missing out half the ground they are searching, does it matter what machine they are using really?
My point is if you already have a good technique that covers the ground diligently you may be able to gain an advantage with a Equinox but for the vast majority improving their technique would bring better results than buying the latest machine to the market.
Personally I wouldn’t buy one, not because I considered myself good enough to know that my XP is better. But due to the way they have conducted themselves throughout the launch of this model, to me they have displayed everything that you don’t want from a manufacturer, misinformation, poor communication, missed self imposed deadlines.
Whats their after sales service going to be like?
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“But due to the way they have conducted themselves throughout the launch of this model, to me they have displayed everything that you don’t want from a manufacturer, misinformation, poor communication, missed self imposed deadlines.
Whats their after sales service going to be like?“
Spot onRah7265 long gone are the days when they were the only manufacturer producing good machines, I believe when they were taken over the current owners they just relied on the Minelab name and reputation.
But to rol out a new machine with all the hype and not have units available, someone has dropped a clanger
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Their wobble list is getting longer.