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One question not about licensing schemes
If there is currently a ban on Detecting in the U.K. how come Finds are being posted on FB ? by U.K. Detectorist


I'm sure there are plenty who are still going out mate.
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One question not about licensing schemes
If there is currently a ban on Detecting in the U.K. how come Finds are being posted on FB ? by U.K. Detectorist
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I've been doing this hobby for over 40 years and have seen numerous attempts by the archaelogists to gain control over our hobby. There was a big push in the mid eighties and a white paper published which included gems like the site permission scheme which would force clubs and individuals who have new land to detect on to submit the request to the governing committee who could refuse if they believed there was an archaeological or historic interest. The other was that there would be an arbitrary payment made for finds classed as treasure regardless of value. Licensing was also a major part of this with with an exorbitant price to get a license but gave no explanation how this money would be used. Giving control of our hobby to these people would be the death knell and force us to go cap in hand just to detect and would do absolutely nothing to weed out the night hawkers, use your common sense how could it.



Things have changed a lot over those 40 years, and the past is not a window on the future. We now come under the DCMS, who take direct action on advice from the British Museum, and there's plenty in that camp who don't like metal detecting.
You're right, we'll never stop night hawking, but the point is we don't do enough to distance the hobby from the crimes, so that we can be judged entirely on our own merits.  That proactive step could reduce the amount of change for the honest side of the hobby.
Working closer with archaeology is better than sitting on our hands and ending up with no hobby at all.
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I've been doing this hobby for over 40 years and have seen numerous attempts by the archaelogists to gain control over our hobby. There was a big push in the mid eighties and a white paper published which included gems like the site permission scheme which would force clubs and individuals who have new land to detect on to submit the request to the governing committee who could refuse if they believed there was an archaeological or historic interest. The other was that there would be an arbitrary payment made for finds classed as treasure regardless of value. Licensing was also a major part of this with with an exorbitant price to get a license but gave no explanation how this money would be used. Giving control of our hobby to these people would be the death knell and force us to go cap in hand just to detect and would do absolutely nothing to weed out the night hawkers, use your common sense how could it.



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You raise some valid points,
“it's riddled with rule breakers and people who bring us into disrepute.”
even if the IOD money making scheme  takes off ,You will still get the bad elements even with licensing
I am not impressed with the ruling no detecting on Private land but ok on public beaches.

I’am not impressed with the lack of response by the NCMD and if the NCMD wasn’t part of my club membership, I would consider the FID .
But there is no way I will be paying £60-£100 for a days so called training and then no doubt a membership and reregistration fee



I agree mate, there will always be bad eggs whatever you do, but I do think we should be trying harder to get away from them and have a more respected hobby.  I think a lot will be against paying out for training and registrations etc, and I understand that,  but personally I would do it.
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You raise some valid points,
“it's riddled with rule breakers and people who bring us into disrepute.”
even if the IOD money making scheme  takes off ,You will still get the bad elements even with licensing
I am not impressed with the ruling no detecting on Private land but ok on public beaches.

I’am not impressed with the lack of response by the NCMD and if the NCMD wasn’t part of my club membership, I would consider the FID .
But there is no way I will be paying £60-£100 for a days so called training and then no doubt a membership and reregistration fee

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I don't know what people expect the NCMD to do. As a group we are viewed as a pariah by the organisations that regulate our hobby i.e. Archeologists, museums and the DCMS. We have little or no power to argue our position and that includes the NCMD. After all what can we and the NCMD do if legislation is brought in to our disadvantage such as the latest recommendations to changes in the antiquities act.
I believe the NCMD rightly took a hard stance against a man who tried to strike a deal with Archeologists to add a new level of licensing to detectorists which included a mandatory training certificate. This traitor to our hobby saw it as a way of profiting off our backs to set himself up as the sole dictator of our hobby. He even set up a training company so he could be the only provider of the "approved" training certificate. This wasn't just a rival group being set up and the NCMD correctly warned us of this idiots intentions.
So what do you really believe the NCMD can do about the latest lockdown restrictions because like it or not they have little power to do anything.......but we do. Every single detectorist should contact their own MP to lobby the government. Every detectorist should use social media to get our point across. The only way we will prevent this type of ludicrous legislation in the future is to get off our butts and fight for our hobby instead of expecting someone else to do it for us.



"I don't know what people expect the NCMD to do."

Well if you are going to call yourself a "National Council" then you have to protect your members, and they haven't.  You can't just reject the viewpoints of the authoritarians and defend your hobby while it's riddled with rule breakers and people who bring us into disrepute.

What they needed to do was get involved with the authorities, and accept that we'll need to change a bit if we want to be respected.  I have no problem with licensing and certification if it distances me from the idiots that feed the negative opinions of detecting in general.  We keep saying that we're a hobby with a majority of good honest people but talk gets you no-where if your aligned with the people who drag us down.

The only reason that we have a new group suggesting licences and certificates (gaining much support from the authorities) is because the NCMD didn't do it years ago, giving us the integrity we need,  gaining inclusion in future decision making, and making a clear disassociation from the bad element who could get us all banned.
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An interesting point that I believe Gary made tho.  Has anyone ever successfully claimed anything?
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I don't know what people expect the NCMD to do. As a group we are viewed as a pariah by the organisations that regulate our hobby i.e. Archeologists, museums and the DCMS. We have little or no power to argue our position and that includes the NCMD. After all what can we and the NCMD do if legislation is brought in to our disadvantage such as the latest recommendations to changes in the antiquities act.
I believe the NCMD rightly took a hard stance against a man who tried to strike a deal with Archeologists to add a new level of licensing to detectorists which included a mandatory training certificate. This traitor to our hobby saw it as a way of profiting off our backs to set himself up as the sole dictator of our hobby. He even set up a training company so he could be the only provider of the "approved" training certificate. This wasn't just a rival group being set up and the NCMD correctly warned us of this idiots intentions.
So what do you really believe the NCMD can do about the latest lockdown restrictions because like it or not they have little power to do anything.......but we do. Every single detectorist should contact their own MP to lobby the government. Every detectorist should use social media to get our point across. The only way we will prevent this type of ludicrous legislation in the future is to get off our butts and fight for our hobby instead of expecting someone else to do it for us.
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Here's my take on it all, just my personal thoughts.
Has anyone ever made a claim through them ?
Do any of them detect ?
How is our money spent ?
If we are insured I am guessing we should have a policy with our names on it etc.
All this should be transparent to the members, it's easy to say oh it's only £8 but times that by thousands it's a nice package.

Recently all the members got a heavily worded letter saying don't support another group that is threatening to take over, which really pissed a lot of people off.
How much did that mail shot cost US members.
All written on top quality paper.
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